Dying to vote…

There’s a very interesting article over at Max Farquar by Earwig entitled “The Only Answer: Self Government” which is rather long but well worth a read.

I don’t agree with a lot of what he’s proposing as the answer, but I can see where he’s coming from and he does make some good points. I would comment on it over at that blog, but although it holds itself out as a bastion of free speech, I am banned from commenting because they don’t like what I say. But I digress…

Earwig rightly points out that the system of parliamentary democracy that we permeated around the world is fundamentally flawed for a number of reasons. As Winston Churchill once said ‘it’s the least-worst system thus far devised’. I’m particularly interested in the subject in the light of the recent so-called ‘arab spring’ uprisings and the presidential elections in Afghanistan.

I agree with him when he says that humans are naturally selfish and self interested. They’re not naturally altruistic and they are attracted to power and influence. Power corrupts and, as we have seen the world over, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Earwig suggests a system of egalitarian democracy by a short life committee system of ordinary citizens. It’s an interesting idea, but I don’t think it would work – mainly because the individuals would never agree on a plan of action or priorities.

The Party system and election manifestos all have their faults, but at least there is a degree of co-ordination and a stall is set out. It’s a fact, however, that no plan ever survives contact with the enemy. Nevertheless, what we do agree on is that there needs to be some sort of system even if we can’t agree on what it should be.

This is where it gets interesting. Read the comments on that post and you will come across one prominent commentor, George Silver, who advocates that we should refrain from voting altogether because, in his words, ‘it encourages them!’ GS has a very low view of politicians and to a degree I agree with him. However, I have always believed that if you don’t vote at all, them you have no right to criticise what you end up with because you weren’t interested enough to express your opinion at the ballot box.

Here’s an exchange between GS and another commentor, John Smith’s Bitter :

GS : They are all fucking thieves and hypocrites whatever party but thanks for reminding us Max. The sheep need reminding that ALL people who want to be in “government” are the same and that there is NO possibility that anything will ever be different.

JSB : People who don’t vote shouldn’t complain at what they get IMHO

GS : Which means people who DO vote are responsible for aiding and abetting the corruption and mismanagement.

GS is, of course, completely wrong. The corruption he talks about is entirely down to the perpetrators themselves. When their wrongdoings are uncovered they are answerable to the electorate. A good example is Neil Hamilton who when discredited over the cash for questions affair was resoundingly thrashed at the ballot box. There have been several examples of this over the years.

If an elected representative of the people does not perform his duties properly then the electorate have the opportunity to vote him out. If you don’t then it actually encourages them to carry on and get away with it. It is ludicrous to suggest that you encourage them if you do vote.

The right to vote is the central cornerstone of parliamentary democracy. The line that GS takes disrespects all those who have given their lives over the years to achieve the right to vote and to preserve it.

The picture at the head of this article is of Emily Davison doing just that. Just over 100 years ago, on June 13th 1913, Emily died when she threw herself in front of the King’s horse at the Epsom Derby to protest for the right for women to be given the vote.

Last weekend in Afghanistan thousands of Afghans turned out despite threats of death from the Taliban to vote for a new president – the first full and free election in Afghan history. Try telling them that they shouldn’t vote ‘because it encourages the politicians’ and see how they respond.

No, parliamentary democracy might not be perfect, but it’s a damn site better than Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia or Gaddhafi’s Libya or North Korea or many others I could name.

12 responses to “Dying to vote…

  1. Agreed that he's wrong. For me the problem lies in two places. One that once we've voted, we treat is as job done and they go back to playing their game. Secondly when we do vote we're almost passive.My view is that every constituency should have a local voting bloc and say, a blog such as this, that lays bare the shenanigans of their local MP. Someone to stoke the fires of the local people, who can at the time of the next election lay out some demands of their own and who have developed the power of patronage to say the any prospective MP, do as we say or we're shopping for a new candidate.

  2. What you're suggesting is a natural extension of the party candidate selection process. If they do wrong, then they're deselected. The problem with deselection is that it's the party that does it and therefore the party's inclination is to cover up the misbehaviour because it otherwise reflects on the party.If we could break that cycle then we might be making progress. It would be a start anyway…It also makes my blood boil when people like Peter Mandelson and David Laws get sacked or resign because they're caught out and then when we've all 'forgotten' about it, these people are slid back into the top echelons like nothing ever happened. That's appalling in my view.

  3. Mick Anderson

    We need a "none of the above" option on the ballot paper. If NOTA has the highest count, the sitting MP is obliged to continue in office (unless dead, in which case the local Party can select a replacement) but not allowed to hold any office or vote in the HoC. Their only job would be to support constituents.If they wanted to resolve the matter, they (either the MP or their Party) would have the option to privately fund a bye election. This option would obviously be available to any of the other candidates, or any new candidate.That way we might actually have MPs who looked first to the constituency rather than the Party.Never going to happen, though….

  4. Quite right Mick. If you've looked back over this blog you will have noticed that I've advocated "No Suitable Candidate" and compulsory voting for many years.

  5. John Smith's Bitter

    I just posted a comment over at the Max Farquar blog referring back to this post. Is it really true that you're not allowed to comment over there? I thought he has a free speech and no comment moderation policy?Noticed you quoted my comment to George Silver. Fair enough as it was posted over there anyway. I thought your post was well considered but why not post it over there instead of here unless you really are blocked?

  6. Hi John. Yes, I'm afraid it is true. I am blocked. It's a long story and one I am frankly sick of arguing over so I just gave up. At the end of the day it's not that important.They also knocked me off their blogroll. Who cares? Anyway, I just took a squint over there to see what you said, but I can't find it. Maybe you're blocked too or it's got caught in the spam filter which is their usual excuse when a comment doesn't appear.Yes, I thought Earwig produced a well written and interesting piece worthy of further discussion which is why I wrote this article. Thanks for taking the time to read both. Discussion of a topic like this is important, I think. The wider the debate the better…

  7. John Smith's Bitter

    Just asked where my comment went. Will let you know response

  8. John Smith's Bitter

    Didn't get much of an answer so I commented again. Praps it was me.

  9. John Smith's Bitter

    I've commented twice more now and neither has appeared so seems I'm being blocked. no moderation policy is clearly bollocks. Sorry I doubted you

  10. Don't worry about it – it's no big deal. Welcome to the club. You're the third person i've heard of now that's been treated like this. It's an exclusive club in all senses of the word…

  11. You don't sound too selfish yourself and most of us aren't. Secondly, whatever you do, don't vote. It only legitimises power-crazed lunatics and thieves.. unless I'm missing something and these idiots don't throw you in jail if you don't pay them money.

  12. But surely if you have a twat as an MP then the best thing to do is vote him out when he comes up for re-election?I accept that you may just get another cunt in his place, but that's better than throwing your hands in the air and saying 'Do what you like. I don't care!' isn't it?